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Tue 21 Nov 17 10:19


z06_tim wrote (View Post):Be interesting to see what Dyson do with their EV. They have said they are investing $2bn (I've heard more!) and plan to launch in 2020. There's going to be a lot of EV and hybrid vehicles in the market place by then. I don't think we will see Tesla's Model 3 in the UK much before 2019 to be honest.

We need to see cars for the consumer, i.e. more superminis, commuter types and possibly SUV's hopefully with improved battery technology for greater range.

I wonder how the battery management will work out as I remember Renault charging a £70 per month 'rental' for the batteries with a three year replacement deal. Can't remember the model name, ..it was on show at the Camping show in Glasgow a couple of years back.

I feel too for the guys who have bought expensive motorhomes. Will they be worth nothing in a few years?

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Redlevel

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Tue 21 Nov 17 10:25

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This be it, I think..

https://www.renault.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/zoe-250/purc...

If medical equipment battery prices are anything to go by, rental is a no brainer!

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Tue 21 Nov 17 17:53


Steve - I should have been more polite!

There is already a gamut of cars out there to suit a huge chunk of consumers, you do need a usage profile that suits you.

Battery technology, batteries are expensive but many of the scare stories of battery life don't seem to be realised on a grand scale. There's a 300000km Tesla taxi that hasn't lost that much range, and is still in use.

Despite us all (I expect) having experience of mobile phone and laptop batteries lasting a year to two years before becoming incontinent, the charging strategies in the majority of electric cars stay somewhere between the 20% and 85% of rated capacity (empty to full charge) and also employ thermal management (battery heating and cooling) that means they enjoy far greater lives than their portable brethren.


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BlackZeD

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Tue 21 Nov 17 18:09

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Battery technology is apparently getting better.
I believe "range" anxiety" only appears due to the time a charge takes.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_battery


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Gixer

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Tue 21 Nov 17 18:40

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How many people actually watched the Tesla unveiling?

Ross, the cost of the trucks apparently work out less per mile than current trucks. I believe they'll be leased and are backed by a million mile guarantee against any failure.

Those asking what's the point of an electric car with that performance have themselves missed the point. It was a deliberate poke in the eye to Veyrons etc etc just to show what can be done. The range figures are quoted for highway speeds.

Ross. Musk is worth in excess of $20 billion and still has businesses bringing plenty of money. He can continue to subsidise Tesla if he needs to.

I'm not really an EV fan. I don't agree with how they are being pushed as super clean when the whole picture of charging, manufacture and battery materials are conveniently not mentioned and taken into account...

But there is no denying the figures, I mean 10,000 nm of instant torque! Love them are hate them they are coming

Is our infrastructure ready for them? No.

The sadest thing imo will be the lack of noise. An electric hyper car without that road of an engine will be a bit soulless



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Tue 21 Nov 17 18:44

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Replaced my company car last week with a 'plug-in' Hybrid BMW 225XE 'compact MPV. 136 bhp 1.5 ltr turbo petrol FWD '3 banger' up front - 88 bhp RWD Hybrid drive at the rear. Kick-down is 224 bhp total and 4 wheel drive. 20 mile range on battery alone.
Fuel economy is...........garbage - sub 7 second 0-60's though Thumbs up


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Gixer

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Tue 21 Nov 17 18:50

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That's the real problem Ross. All cars are now made to shine at gov tests but when in the real world you are never anywhere near the claimed figures


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Tue 21 Nov 17 19:15

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Gixer wrote (View Post):That's the real problem Ross. All cars are now made to shine at gov tests but when in the real world you are never anywhere near the claimed figures
Brett - after 1500 miles its struggling to achieve 30mpg in urban use with battery 'save' manually selected. Couple that with an 8 gallon fuel tank and the weekly petrol fill-up of the Lexus is now an every two day event Banghead



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Alan305

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Tue 21 Nov 17 19:25


Not so good Ross, Iím still getting an average of 46 from my GS300h, although as it gets colder that will reduce. I guess BMW are pretty new to Hybrids and their heart may not be truly in it, they make too much money from diesels. Is the 3 pot engine the mini unit?
Still a little better than your BB.



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Tue 21 Nov 17 21:37


My opinion is the hybrids are mainly a company car tax dodge (can't argue with the super car esque layout of the 225) - but if you do it properly and design a car around an electric drive train then the economy is much more properly realised.


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