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Daytona Vette

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Wed 05 Dec 18 16:26

My C8 Grump


I do not understand why the engine is being re-positioned from front mid to mid or mid rear, the weight distribution as standard is not far off 50 / 50.

I can understand it if GM are looking to profile it into Super Car class and imitating Ferrari and Lamborghini, in lay out, but to be a true Super Car in those dimensions the perceived quality needs to compare, but it would be great as the pinnacle model to the normal range and would add great brand value.

However, to me the preferred development for the Corvette should be four wheel drive to compliment and benefit the huge power available.

A four wheel drive Super Car puts an even wider smile on one's face and you still have to drive it and keep it on the road, if you use the power, an awesome experience and to boot makes the car more competitive.


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roscobbc

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Wed 05 Dec 18 17:57

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I would guess that the engineering cost calculations for opting for a rear/mid engine set-up must be similar to those a few years ago when manufacturers were choosing to adopt front transverse engine/transmission combination. The power transmission/handling benefits of all wheel drive must surely be offset by the mechanical and packaged complications in a short wheelbase vehicle - all rather mute with with the ever increasing sophistication of hybrid drive-trains and electric motors at each wheel.



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Redlevel

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Wed 05 Dec 18 20:02

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GM need to stop pussyfooting and focus on an all electric Corvette at least for the UK and foreign countries.
As time goes on this should become more apparent that this would be more acceptable and translate into sales.
Few, (those with large disposable assets) will be buying IC motored performance cars in the near future when faster, cleaner, electric cars are available.

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roscobbc

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Wed 05 Dec 18 20:10

Re: My C8 Grump


GM burnt fingers with the introduction of the Ampera in the UK - with minimal sales og Vette in UK they won't be marketing a specific car for UK.


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Redlevel

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Wed 05 Dec 18 20:25

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roscobbc wrote (View Post):GM burnt fingers with the introduction of the Ampera in the UK - with minimal sales og Vette in UK they won't be marketing a specific car for UK.

Maybe thats because they havent built the right car, although that Corvette SUV in the club rag could be a winner.

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z06_tim

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Thu 06 Dec 18 12:40


Barry, I have seen an interview with Tadge Jeucter on something like Autoline-Detroit, where he states the Corvette C7 is approaching the limits of traction for the current architecture, and power levels.

I can't remember whether he implied this, or stated that the only way to be competitive was to go Mid/rear-engined. This configuration is better for traction because it has nearer to 60% mass on the rear axle.

You raise a good point about all-wheel-drive, and I am sure they are considering it when they introduce their EV architecture. Think Honda NSX.


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philv8

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Thu 06 Dec 18 22:17

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Redlevel wrote (View Post):roscobbc wrote (View Post):GM burnt fingers with the introduction of the Ampera in the UK - with minimal sales og Vette in UK they won't be marketing a specific car for UK.

Maybe thats because they havent built the right car, although that Corvette SUV in the club rag could be a winner.


Got to be honest and say I can't think of anything worse than a Corvette SUV. By GM standards the Corvette is fairly low volume and still successful even if it is with mature owners and there's nothing wrong with that. You only have to look at Cadillac, they build great cars they can't sell, because the people they are trying to sell to want a BMW or an Audi. Shame Cadillac didn't still consider the more mature driver, maybe they'd still be selling lots of cars.

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philv8

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Thu 06 Dec 18 22:25


z06_tim wrote (View Post):Barry, I have seen an interview with Tadge Jeucter on something like Autoline-Detroit, where he states the Corvette C7 is approaching the limits of traction for the current architecture, and power levels.

I can't remember whether he implied this, or stated that the only way to be competitive was to go Mid/rear-engined. This configuration is better for traction because it has nearer to 60% mass on the rear axle.

You raise a good point about all-wheel-drive, and I am sure they are considering it when they introduce their EV architecture. Think Honda NSX.


I wonder how many owners ever get to the limits of traction and power? I know lots will disagree but the horsepower race is pretty pointless other than in the 'my cars got more power than yours' stakes. My C5 has 350hp but in normal use I doubt I ever use that much, though it's nice to know it's there.

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roscobbc

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Fri 07 Dec 18 01:36


philv8 wrote (View Post):z06_tim wrote (View Post):Barry, I have seen an interview with Tadge Jeucter on something like Autoline-Detroit, where he states the Corvette C7 is approaching the limits of traction for the current architecture, and power levels.

I can't remember whether he implied this, or stated that the only way to be competitive was to go Mid/rear-engined. This configuration is better for traction because it has nearer to 60% mass on the rear axle.

You raise a good point about all-wheel-drive, and I am sure they are considering it when they introduce their EV architecture. Think Honda NSX.


I wonder how many owners ever get to the limits of traction and power? I know lots will disagree but the horsepower race is pretty pointless other than in the 'my cars got more power than yours' stakes. My C5 has 350hp but in normal use I doubt I ever use that much, though it's nice to know it's there.

Ask that question to a few 'past' C6Z06 owners perhaps - seems that for some the non-too intrusive traction and handling control parameters wern't quite enough to prevent a few owners getting out of shape and writing them off.
Nice thought having a new production car like a Vette with 500, 600, 700 bhp......but how much of that power will the cars ECU algorithms actually allow through to your right foot?


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Redlevel

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Fri 07 Dec 18 20:09

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philv8 wrote (View Post):Redlevel wrote (View Post):roscobbc wrote (View Post):GM burnt fingers with the introduction of the Ampera in the UK - with minimal sales og Vette in UK they won't be marketing a specific car for UK.

Maybe thats because they havent built the right car, although that Corvette SUV in the club rag could be a winner.


Got to be honest and say I can't think of anything worse than a Corvette SUV.


In the next few years, SUV's will be all you can buy. They're all at it now even from manufacturers you wouldnt have expected. I believe Ford have just stated no private cars soon except SUV's and pickups. I bet there's already a Mustang SUV in concept..

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