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roscobbc

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Sat 23 Jun 18 15:17

Re: Trade War US Imports


This is my view and doesn't reflect the opinions of the CCCUK or other committee members (or most probably anyone else!)

Classic cars prices have been unrealistic in many cases for years. We see mid-year Vettes being sold for 5 and 6 figure sums and then common or garden mid 60's Mustang coupe's advertised for £30K+ (price wise in the realms of good chrome bumper C3's).
Will the the USA's ban on Euro classics make a difference to us? - I doubt it - most of the European classics are already in the USA arn't they?

Will all this mean an increase in prices for 'our' cars - I hope not - we are starting to see the 'investor' buying 'collecting' Vettes as they get frozen out of other classics..

Interesting times indeed Yes - As we are still actually part of EU presumably despite all of the attempts from Remainers and others to overturn a democratic choice by the public to Exit the EU.
Its interesting that close as the vote may have been and the current attempts to overthrow things - the majority of general elections have seen votes as close as this - didn't see the calls for re-running the general elections back then did we?

Look back at America over, say the last 70 years (since WW2) and they have enjoyed a fantastic lifestyle for many of those years. Industries that boomed during the war yeas producing armaments, ships, tanks, aircraft and vehicles.
They had to do something with all of the spare capacity after WW2. The American public had the advantages of relatively high wages, low taxes and low prices for domestic goods, cars etc etc.

Look at UK and Europe - virtually bankrupt after WW2 the UK and Europe had low wages and high taxes to re-pay war debts, re-build economies and infra-structure. We now have a a huge dog (EU) with the tail (UK) 'wagging' too hard - and we are now trying to 'cut it off'.
A dog is used to having a tail to wag, it might need it for balance - but it can do without it.

Of course Germany and Japan were 'helped' and boomed in subsequent year (that that's another story isn't it?)

Looking at USA again and there is a mindset (which we also seen here in the UK) where the public want cheaper and cheaper goods, cars etc.
They have not been loyal in most cases to an American brand (as we haven't to UK brands)
Loyalty for many to respective home brands has been seen as buying import brands simply manufactured or assemble in the 'States. We've seen this here too.

Back to 2018 and we have a President who has extolled the virtues of American produced products and American labour manufacturing them (much as we'd like to see here - right?) - and he seems to have hit a chord with many current or ex-blue collar workers doesn't he?

The 'thing' is - are the Americans, or for that matter the UK (and Europe) really prepared to 'pay' for 'home' produced 'protectionist' products - and not just in $ and £ terms?

Think about it carefully - we, the UK (and I'm sure the 'States) have an economy based on low priced produce and goods - much of this is imported from all over the world.
The weekly, monthly, annual salary of the average UK worker 'in real terms' has not increased in line with inflation for the last 30 years.
Truth is that wages haven't had to rise in line with inflation - employers have had the benefits of 'imported' labour and subsidised materials, components and products from what were third world economies.
Cheap imported goods mean that we can afford all the things we wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise.
Even though property prices have escalated out of control cheap lending (and a expanding rental sector) have meant that housing and mortgage costs haven't risen exponentially until the last few years - the end result of this (as we know) that people new to the housing market can only ever dream about owning their own property.
The influx of 'imported' labour has kept costs down for industry and commerce for both us and the USA.
Of course we'd all like to see things go back to how they were, with large scale manufacturing, as would our transatlantic cousins.
The reality of this will be significant inflation as the cost of all these home produced products hits home - and then further inflation as workers demand ever higher salaries to enable them to buy the products and goods and live the lifestyle they have been used to.



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roppa440

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Mon 25 Jun 18 08:59

Re: Trade War US Imports


I can't argue with very much of that at all Ross. Thumbs up

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Alan305

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Wed 27 Jun 18 08:27


I think the trade war just highlights Trumps style. Make an outrageous statement to start the dialogue with the aim of getting a better deal.

With about 10% US to EU and 2.5% EU to US charges for cars Trump has a valid point.

For the EU to raise charges against Harley’s imports from 6% to 31% shows how childish the EU can be. Would a HD made in Asia be as desirable as one from Milwaukee? Even worse, what if it was better?

If it becomes too expensive to import Corvettes that would be bad news.



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roscobbc

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Wed 27 Jun 18 09:45


Alan305 wrote (View Post):I think the trade war just highlights Trumps style. Make an outrageous statement to start the dialogue with the aim of getting a better deal.

With about 10% US to EU and 2.5% EU to US charges for cars Trump has a valid point.

For the EU to raise charges against Harley’s imports from 6% to 31% shows how childish the EU can be. Would a HD made in Asia be as desirable as one from Milwaukee? Even worse, what if it was better?

If it becomes too expensive to import Corvettes that would be bad news.


The 'lesser' HD Sportster models are already made in a country other than the USA (is it India, can't recall?) - whilst HD's may have 'patriotic' owners (and owners who want to buy a USA product) perhaps CEO's of parent company have different ideas..........
Compare with UK - people buying a Triumph perhaps believe they are buying in-to and supporting UK manufacturing........its not quite the case is it? more like British assembly....
Vauxhall's TV advert iritates me "A British Brand since 1908" or something on those lines - rather than say "French owned, some of it manufactured in the UK (at present) the rest being PSA content".



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Wed 27 Jun 18 10:23


Alan305 wrote (View Post):I think the trade war just highlights Trumps style. Make an outrageous statement to start the dialogue with the aim of getting a better deal.

With about 10% US to EU and 2.5% EU to US charges for cars Trump has a valid point.

For the EU to raise charges against Harley’s imports from 6% to 31% shows how childish the EU can be. Would a HD made in Asia be as desirable as one from Milwaukee? Even worse, what if it was better?

If it becomes too expensive to import Corvettes that would be bad news.


But HD's are made outside of the US already. I would argue that DT is the childish one here and now that the tarriffs have been raised tit for tat, HD are moving more production outside of the US to dodge the rise. So the US will lose jobs making HD and it'll cost more to buy one. I don't see any benefit to anyone.


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Daytona Vette

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Wed 27 Jun 18 12:27

Re: Trade War US Imports


Business Drives Employment

Employment Drives Wealth and Prosperity

Make it here not there

Tariffs are to protect home grown business'

Tit for tat tariffs are retaliatory and they usually settle down, when things have calmed down.

Think about it, at the turn of the century England was the industrial hub of the World Cars, Ships, Steel, Coal, Textiles, Motorcycles etc.

Killed off by the Unions and gross miss- management of both the Government and Commerce.

Europe took over the Commerce and then Japan and China and now the third world Countries are having a go.

In short we Exported our Jobs

Now we are paying evermore higher Taxes to finance the infrastructure

As Taxes can not be levied on Business' that are no longer there.

Most of us went to School in the UK, how many of us had an "Helix" plastic Ruler or Protractor in our Pencil case - MADE IN THE WEST MIDLANDS !

Sadly now MADE IN CHINA and sold in the shops at the same price.

Helix sent their machines to China creating jobs for the Chinese, made the UK staff Redundant and closed the factory.

The only benefit of which was to the Chinese and the owner of Helix, buying cheaper and selling at the same price.

Jobs lost because they were not protected !

Go Donald Go !


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5 USA

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Wed 27 Jun 18 17:47

Re: Trade War US Imports


Personally I thought this was a car forum.

I'm sure there are other more appropriate places for political views to be expressed.

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roscobbc

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Wed 27 Jun 18 18:05

Re: Trade War US Imports


A car forum perhaps - but there's nothing wrong with other subjects being 'aired' - and the thread is not that far away from automotive issues really is it Yes One doesn't need to 'contribute' to a thread that isn't of interest Scratchchin


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Alan305

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Sat 07 Jul 18 18:40


Interesting to see that DT’s style is now winning with Merkel about to tell Brussels to stop being childish and now push for free trade on cars between the US and the EU.

The US deficit on cars with the EU is $22Bn and a trade war could have put at risk around 40,000 German jobs.

We all potentially lose on a trade war but countries with a large surplus like China and the EU have little room to manoeuvre.

Looks like Corvette could be 10% cheaper in the near future unless Chevy take advantage.



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Rich

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Sat 07 Jul 18 20:38


Alan305 wrote (View Post):Looks like Corvette could be 10% cheaper in the near future unless Chevy take advantage.

I'm sorry to sound thick but how?


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