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Daytona Vette

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Sat 27 Oct 18 10:18

Re: My Ideal Vette


L88 wrote (View Post):Big tanker? Exactly that, a big fuel tank from the factory in C2 Coupe's. Micks being hopeful there. If you can find a big tank it would set you back more than a shiney C3. Yes just the fuel tank!

My ideal Vette? It's in my garage. 69 BB. Contentment. Love the car you own not thy neighbours.


I thought it might be the long range tank, obviously a rare option and only usually specified if intending to race.

I thought you were more for the C2 Frank than the C3 can we have a pic of the 69BB


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Daytona Vette

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Sat 27 Oct 18 10:29

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Yenko and Ross, I am surprised at the "Rock Crusher" choice and not a 5 or 6 speed, is it because it is "old School" that ticks the box?

The 5 and 6 speeds make the Vette more enjoyable at terminal speeds with the revs and stress levels down, a more relaxed drive, it is having a rat up front that drives the adrenalin.


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Daytona Vette

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Sat 27 Oct 18 10:31

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Norm, who would not want your Z ? and its home.


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Daytona Vette

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Sat 27 Oct 18 10:39

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Yes I am with you Stephen, a C2 or C3 sitting on an updated chassis makes for a nice Vette, but if a C2 or C3 Vette had all the telemetry gizmos of the later Vettes would we still have the nostalgia - I think yes in a C2 sitting behind that early aircraft inspired Dash, but may be not in the C3 ?


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roscobbc

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Sat 27 Oct 18 11:39

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Daytona Vette wrote (View Post):Yenko and Ross, I am surprised at the "Rock Crusher" choice and not a 5 or 6 speed, is it because it is "old School" that ticks the box?

The 5 and 6 speeds make the Vette more enjoyable at terminal speeds with the revs and stress levels down, a more relaxed drive, it is having a rat up front that drives the adrenalin.


Reason for the choice of M21/22 Barry. These 'old school' boxes (much like Fords 4 speed Top Loader) have an absolutely perfect set of close gear ratio's - the ratios work well with low geared, higher horsepower, higher revving small blocks and high geared lower revving big block cars). One can argue that a close ratio transmission on a big block is unnecessary and that a wide ration gear set is all that is needed with all that torque - and that is true to a point - on my car (when actually running) with a 3.08 rear end and 2.20 first gear I can lazily pull away in 1st gear and short-shift in to third gear at 20 mph - or alternatively - hang on hard to the revs, hit the rev limiter at 6400 rpm at 70 plus mph and start swopping those cogs rapidly once in 'loose yer license' territory.
The issue with most modern affordable 5 and 6 speed transmissions (and certainly ones that are rated for higher power engines) is that the gear ratio's are produced for OEM car manufacturers and ratios are suited for CAFE and cruise economy figures. Ratio's are all wrong for performance. Typically you'll get a six speed with a 'granny' ratio first gear and overdrive ratio 5th and 6th gears.
If you look closely at any of the on-line performance dyno's (the ones where you put in all engine parameters, including mods, tyre info and gear ratio's) the engine/transmission combo that always gives the best 1/4 mile/terminal speed is the close ratio 4 speed. Now if someone was to manufacture an 'affordable' 5 speed transmission that could cope with 600 ft/lbs torque, have ratio's of 2.20/1.64/1.28/1.1 and a 50% or 60% overdrive 5 gear - wouldn't that be nice Lick



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Daytona Vette

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Sat 27 Oct 18 12:36

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roscobbc wrote (View Post):Daytona Vette wrote (View Post):Yenko and Ross, I am surprised at the "Rock Crusher" choice and not a 5 or 6 speed, is it because it is "old School" that ticks the box?

The 5 and 6 speeds make the Vette more enjoyable at terminal speeds with the revs and stress levels down, a more relaxed drive, it is having a rat up front that drives the adrenalin.


Reason for the choice of M21/22 Barry. These 'old school' boxes (much like Fords 4 speed Top Loader) have an absolutely perfect set of close gear ratio's - the ratios work well with low geared, higher horsepower, higher revving small blocks and high geared lower revving big block cars). One can argue that a close ratio transmission on a big block is unnecessary and that a wide ration gear set is all that is needed with all that torque - and that is true to a point - on my car (when actually running) with a 3.08 rear end and 2.20 first gear I can lazily pull away in 1st gear and short-shift in to third gear at 20 mph - or alternatively - hang on hard to the revs, hit the rev limiter at 6400 rpm at 70 plus mph and start swopping those cogs rapidly once in 'loose yer license' territory.
The issue with most modern affordable 5 and 6 speed transmissions (and certainly ones that are rated for higher power engines) is that the gear ratio's are produced for OEM car manufacturers and ratios are suited for CAFE and cruise economy figures. Ratio's are all wrong for performance. Typically you'll get a six speed with a 'granny' ratio first gear and overdrive ratio 5th and 6th gears.
If you look closely at any of the on-line performance dyno's (the ones where you put in all engine parameters, including mods, tyre info and gear ratio's) the engine/transmission combo that always gives the best 1/4 mile/terminal speed is the close ratio 4 speed. Now if someone was to manufacture an 'affordable' 5 speed transmission that could cope with 600 ft/lbs torque, have ratio's of 2.20/1.64/1.28/1.1 and a 50% or 60% overdrive 5 gear - wouldn't that be nice Lick


Yes, I swopped out a close ratio 4 speed for the 5 speed, I think it was a Super T10.
With the 4 speed, gear changes were quick, nice, close and a great sound track under acceleration when double de-clutching on the way up and down with the close revs and yes the 5 speed is not as quick off the line, but maybe because I am older now I am happy with the torque and low revs without the sprint.


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roscobbc

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Sat 27 Oct 18 14:17

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Interesting Barry - https://www.richmondgear.com/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/richmon... - if its the same one it has a 600tq limit. 1st and 2nd gear ratio's at 2.89/1.85 are a bit low (1st even lower than M20 wide ratio) - yet 3rd at 1.31 compares with 1.28 of Muncie - .77 fifth gear is a great cruise ratio and would knock about 600 rpm off 70 mph cruise on mine.


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Norm

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Sat 27 Oct 18 14:46

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Stephen, had a '10 GS auto, put 60,000+ miles, not one lick of a problem, headache free, just routine maintenance and tires.

At the Bonneville Salt Flats UT in May of '13.


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kentvette

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Sun 28 Oct 18 09:54

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Very nice Norm!! Smile Can you see me turning green from there? Very Happy


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L88

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Sun 28 Oct 18 12:41

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I thought you were more for the C2 Frank than the C3 can we have a pic of the 69BB[/quote]

Here we go Barry. These pics were from a while ago, C2's have pushed in front.

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