Are we still convinced that electric vehicles are the best way forward?

TimP

CCCUK Member
Some rather telling facts and figures about actual EV sales over the last 5 years here in the UK. 2025 seems to have been a disaster for new electric car registrations.
Before we get too excited. ....the 2025 numbers published on the 'How Many Left' website are half year only. ie if you look now the data is for sales until the end of July 2025

So taking Hyundai Ionic 5 numbers from Geoff Buys Car's video (published nov 2025) we have

2025 2024. 2023. 2023. 2022.
1670. 4368. 5017. 5782. 2203

Taking a fresh data load from 'How Many Left' (this morning) then you have

2025 (half year) 2024. 2023. 2023. 2022.
2643 4318. 5021. 5799. 2242

Note that the 2643 from today's data for 2025 is quite different from Geoff's data for 2025 (1670). All the other numbers approx match up which maybe explained by rounding. 'How Many Left' rounds up on their main search results but you can get the exact number by hovering your mouse over the number. I used the exact number.

If you make a broad assumption that a full year figures are double a half years figures then you would have
2025 (full year) 2024. 2023. 2023. 2022.
5283 4318. 5021. 5799. 2242

Which seems to show that Ioniq 5 sales in 2025 are in pretty rude health.

Possibly one of us has an error in the spreadsheet - I have checked mine several time to try and avoid making an idiot of myself (always possible). I'm happy to be proved wrong.

I haven't done this for all cars - life's too short - but I thought the Ioniq 5 would be representative as they are fairly common. I can't use the BMX IX figures in his video as a comparison as he has not been specific about model IX he is referring to, but you can see his Ioniq 5 numbers in the background.

The basic assumption he (Geoff) made was that the 2025 figures were full year but they are only half year which explains why thinks that the sales figures are 'falling off a cliff'. As his 2025 numbers are also really low he might have been using Q1 data - who knows.

I'm not pro or anti EV. My daily driver is a plug in hybrid and it works very well for me. My fun cars have always had 6 cylinders or more and I hope it stays that way. Totally agree that the government have made a mess of the compulsory requirement by 2030 and the taxation changes that have been announced latterly.

Sorry, I'm a bit OCD about data.
 

teamzr1

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Really bad day for Ford

Ford is scrapping the all-electric version of America's favorite car.

The F-150 Lightning will stop rolling out of the automaker's Dearborn, Michigan, factory, marking a major retreat from Ford's most ambitious EV bet.
The decision comes as Ford disclosed a staggering $19.5billion loss in its consumer EV business, including $8.5billion tied to canceled future models and another $6billion from a scrapped deal with a battery supplier.

Still, Ford insists it isn't abandoning mass-market electric vehicles altogether.
In August, the company pledged to launch a smaller electric pickup with a starting price around $30,000 a clear signal that affordability, not size, is now the priority.

'Instead of plowing billions into the future knowing these large EVs will never make money, we are pivoting,' Jim Farley told the Wall Street Journal.
Ford previously said the truck which remains America's best-selling electric pickup, with car shoppers scooping up around 25,000 Lightnings this year, was supposed to help the Detroit automaker pierce Tesla's dominance in electric vehicle sales.

When the company announced the battery-powered version in 2021, it was inundated with reservations.
At first, the company predicted it would sell 40,000 Lightnings each year. It boosted that prediction to 80,000. As reservations kept coming in, they bumped estimates again to 150,000.

But it never reached that peak.
Instead, Ford is pivoting its battery-powered F-150 offerings.
'We now know enough about the US market where we have a lot more certainty in this second inning,' Farley added.

The full-size pickup truck will now sell with three options: a gas-only engine, a mild hybrid, and a so-called extended range electric vehicle (EREV) that drives on electricity but uses a gas engine as an onboard generator to recharge the battery on long trips.
 

teamzr1

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Ford Motor Co. will take a majority of $19.5 billion in special charges in the fourth quarter of 2025 as it restructures its Model e electric vehicle division to be profitable by 2029 and reutilizes EV plants for other applications.

The Dearborn automaker will focus on higher-return products and businesses. It has ended production of the all-electric F-150 Lightning pickup and will launch in Dearborn a fully battery powered version with a gasoline engine generator onboard as a next-generation.
It's also adding U.S.-built gas-powered and hybrid trucks and vans to its lineup, starting a battery energy storage business and nixing plans for a full-size electric truck and commercial van because of poor demand, high costs and regulatory changes.

"Ford is following the customer," Andrew Frick, president of Model e and the Ford Blue gas and hybrid division, said during a conference call Monday on the announcement. "We are looking at the market as it is today, not just as everyone predicted it to be five years ago.
The American consumer is speaking clearly, and they want the benefits of electrification, like instant torque and mobile power, but they also demand affordability, range confidence, vehicles that match their duty cycle and the freedom to choose the powertrain that fits their life and their work."

Ford also confirmed an agreement to dissolve its joint venture with South Korean battery partner SK On which will have a wholly owned Ford subsidiary take over two battery plants in Kentucky.
That will result in layoff notices to the 1,600 workers at the Kentucky 1 plant, though they will have the opportunity to apply for the 2,100 jobs there Ford will have after transitioning the plant to build energy storage systems with licensed technology from China's Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Ltd.

In the first nine months of the year, Ford's Model e EV division lost almost $3.6 billion in operating earnings.
The company forecasts annual improvements starting in 2026. The special item charges will extend into next year and 2027. Ford expects approximately $5.5 billion in cash effects, with the majority paid in 2026 and the remainder in 2027.

Despite the charges, Ford raised its 2025 adjusted operating earnings guidance to about $7 billion, citing continued underlying business strength and cost improvements.
That was up from $6 billion to $6.5 billion, it stated in November after a fire at an aluminum supplier plant affected truck production. Ford added that its free cash flow is trending to the high end of its previously stated $2 billion to $3 billion projection.

Under its plans, Ford expects approximately 50% of its global volume will be hybrids, extended-range EVs and fully electric vehicles, up from 17% in 2025. Nearly every vehicle will have a hybrid or multi-energy powertrain choice by the end of the decade. Ford will launch five new affordable vehicles by then, four of which will be U.S.-assembled.

Ford has scrapped an all-electric commercial van slated for Ohio and a full-size electric truck in Tennessee. Instead, Ohio Assembly Plant in Avon Lake will build a new affordable commercial van with gas and hybrid models alongside Super Duty chassis cabs starting in 2029, a year after the electric van was supposed to launch. Ohio employs 1,700 people, and Ford didn't have an updated hiring number.

The Tennessee Electric Vehicle Center in Stanton outside Memphis will be renamed to the Tennessee Truck Plant. The facility will produce an all-new, gas-powered affordable trucks with production starting in 2029, also a year after the electric truck was slated to launch.
The plant was a part of a $5.6 billion investment for BlueOval City that also included a battery plant that SK On will retain after the end of the joint venture. Ford is expecting 2,300 jobs there initially, though it plans eventually to fully utilize the facility.

BlueOval Battery Park in Glendale, Kentucky, was a $5.8 billion investment by the BlueOval SK joint venture. Under Ford's full ownership and without SK On as a partner, it will invest $2 billion in the next two years to produce lithium-iron-phosphate prismatic battery cells in Kentucky 1, all for energy storage purposes for data centers, utilities and other commercial customers. It'll also make more than 5 megawatt-hour energy storage systems, including their modules, and 20-foot DC container systems.

Production is expected to begin within 18 months. Ford expects to deploy at least 20 gigawatt-hours annually by late 2027.

The BlueOval Battery Park in south-central Michigan's Marshall will produce smaller Amp-hour cells for use in residential energy storage solutions. But it also remains on-track to produce LFP prismatic battery cells in 2026 to power Ford’s $30,000 midsize electric truck arriving in 2027, the first model on its new Universal EV Platform that will underpin its EV launch strategy focused on affordable models.

Ford ended production this month of the Lightning at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center, transferring hourly employees to Dearborn Truck to prioritize gas-powered and hybrid F-150s following multiple fires this fall at a Novelis Inc. aluminum plant in New York. It'll hire in 2026 a new third crew of 1,200 employees at Dearborn Truck to make up for lost production.

Ford said details on the next-generation F-150 Lightning EREV, or extended-range electric vehicle, and when it will launch at the Rouge EV enter will be shared in the future. It, however, will have a sub-5-second acceleration, be able to tow and add an estimated more than 700 miles of range with a typical customer able to drive nine days on electricity alone, Frick said.

Model e asset impairment and program write-downs will total $8.5 billion in 2025. The joint venture disposition will be $3 billion this year and $3 billion in 2026 and 2027. Additional program-related expenses total $1 billion in 2025 and $4 billion in the following two years.

Ford also reconfirmed its commitment to be carbon-neutral by 2050. The automaker last year also canceled an electric three-row SUV program slated for Canada, writing off as much as $1.9 billion.
Ford last week announced a partnership with French rival Renault SA for EVs in Europe and that it would explore commercial vehicle collaboration. The company said Monday it no longer intends to produce a previously planned new electric commercial van for Europe, as well.

Ford's EV sales were down year-over-year almost 25% in October and more than 60% in November after an up-to $7,500 federal plug-in credit expired. That was part of President Donald Trump's agenda to repeal what he described as an "EV mandate" on the U.S. consumer.

His administration also has made efforts to rescind a legal finding that allows the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate greenhouse gas tailpipe emissions, revoke California's waiver to set stricter emissions standards that close to a dozen states had adopted, and roll back fleet fuel economy requirements.
That paves the way for the sale of more gas- and diesel-powered vehicle sales, prompting companies like General Motors Co. and Chrysler parent Stellantis NV to continue to invest in engine production.

General Motors Co. also divested from its battery plant with LG Energy Solution in Lansing to prioritize profitability and capital efficiency. It has said it plans to launch plug-in hybrids in North America in 2027.
Additionally, it's discontinued electric commercial vans built in Canada and cut shifts at its EV plant in Detroit and Hamtramck. Meanwhile, Stellantis NV has nixed plans for the electric Ram 1500 REV pickup.
 

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
With forcing the American taxpayers to shell out $7,000 to people wanting that money by buying EV, gone
a real bloodbath in the EV market

A Vietnamese EV startup with dreams of an American retail empire is quickly losing ground.
VinFast has fewer than two dozen dealerships remaining in the US, according to Automotive News, despite the company's ambitions of having hundreds of franchised stores.

This year, two VinFast dealerships have already shuttered, and a third will shutter at the end of 2025.
Only 17 dealerships have their cars available for purchase on their websites.
The company's original US pitch imagined its dealership selling a full lineup of EVs, including a small pickup truck. Investors, believing EVs could rocket-fuel their earnings after Tesla's shocking success, flooded VinFast's stock with $65billion.

In 2023, that made the car company richer than America's legacy automakers, Ford and General Motors.
But VinFast didn't deliver its initial promise.
American car buyers had only two options, the $40,000 VF 8 and the $63,000 three-row VF 9.
That wasn't enough to inspire consumers.

So far this year, only 1,413 Americans have purchased a VinFast vehicle, down 57 percent compared to last year.
But VinFast's recent dealership woes differ from other EV startups' struggles. While its US sales haven't taken off, the company is still growing worldwide.

The automaker, which launched in 2017, has quickly become dominant in its home market.
VinFast offers six models for Vietnamese drivers, and in October, it celebrated the sale of its only 100,000th vehicle.
The company has also stepped up sales in Europe, with new dealerships planned in France, Germany, and the Netherlands.
Even soccer superstar David Beckham partnered with the fledgling brand in 2018.

But that momentum never translated to the US market, despite hearty efforts.
'The US is one of the hardest markets to crack because we've got so many automakers already,' Karl Brauer, executive analyst at iSeeCars.com stated

'This is like a 20-year, 30-year investment if you're serious about the market.'
VinFast's recent dealership closures come as the graveyard of once-promising EV startups grows.
Last month, Bollinger, which once promised military-style electric SUVs and trucks, emailed employees to warn them that the Michigan company was racing toward its ultimate closure.

'We received word late last night that the day has arrived,' HR chief Helen Watson wrote.
'We are to officially close the doors of Bollinger Motors, effective today.'
In February, Nikola Motors fully closed down. Fisker Inc. shuttered in 2024. Lordstown also ended production in 2023.

Analysts say that these EV startups made a big mistake by focusing their efforts on giant pickup trucks and SUVs.
 
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