US Navy's Newest Fighter Jets

Roscobbc

Moderator

SPECTRE AC-130 GUNSHIPS ARRIVE IN UK​

RAF MILDENHALL JANUARY 4TH 2026 TANKERS: 'LAGR 63 AND 64'

Anyone knowing planes explain why some of these with four large jet engines have super tall tails ?

Gonna guess the extended fin is to improve stability when re-fueling following aircraft - large aircraft leave powerful a powerful vortex behind - you'll notice the aircraft being refueled and trailing the tanker are much lower (presumably to avoid the vortex) - aircraft generally use ailerons and 'bank' to turn. Use of rudder to turn on its own can create difficulties maintaining level flight. This obviously is undesireable when refueling other aircraft - perhaps full height rudder on extended height fin helps minimise stability issues?
 

TimP

CCCUK Member
I think this thread requires a second thought. Eighteen months ago an 'off topic' thread on American Military technology was fairly abstract and not something that was going to draw a lot of attention. In the current context it has a very different significance - the development, use (and misuse) of military force by the US administration is very much under the spotlight. Mhamilton posed a challenge to the suitability of this thread earlier in the week and I don't think his point was given due consideration.

This is car club forum - it should not have a political aspect to it. Clearly some of the posts in this thread have a political edge to them which is unwelcome and not suitable for this club. Not ever, but particularly not now.

I believe that this thread should be removed in its entirety and further posts should be moderated more closely for political content. Sentiment in Europe is turning away from the US because of the concern about the behaviours of the current administration. With the effect of tariffs, interference in Venezuela, the threat of forced occupation of Greenland and the arrival of US gunships in the UK (rumoured to be ready to strike Iran) that ill feeling is turning anxiety into something much worse. I can envisage the day when a symbol of the US is dragged in front of the US embassy in London and set alight - I hope that won't be a Corvette.

This is a public forum and some of the content on this forum, in my view, gives the wrong impression of this club. I personally don't want to be associated with that. I understand that everybody has a political viewpoint but there are other, more appropriate outlets for that.

I think this is of sufficient concern to be raised at the next Club Committee meeting - which is I believe is on Thursday. I'll try and get it on the agenda.
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
This 'off topic' thread (in the correct 'Off Topic' section) has been running for quite a while now with no complaints. Modern and classic aeronautical subjects are certainly something that interest many Corvette enthusiasts and we've seen many pictures of Vettes and jets together - to many of us there is a commonality between Vettes and jets. Can't see any glorification or political overtones relating to recent overseas events in any of the posts on this thread so far .............
 

Rich

Administrator
......... Can't see any glorification or political overtones relating to recent overseas events in any of the posts on this thread so far .............
That's because two offending posts made by Mhamilton were deleted by CaptainK but later referred to which has caused a confusing situation. Mhamilton mentioned the two countries targeted by the USA recently.
 

TimP

CCCUK Member
This 'off topic' thread (in the correct 'Off Topic' section) has been running for quite a while now with no complaints. Modern and classic aeronautical subjects are certainly something that interest many Corvette enthusiasts and we've seen many pictures of Vettes and jets together - to many of us there is a commonality between Vettes and jets. Can't see any glorification or political overtones relating to recent overseas events in any of the posts on this thread so far .............

The initial posts were fairly harmless - indeed it's a subject that I am interested in myself. But there are two key points here:

1) It digresses into political waters on a number of occasions. Criticism of UK capabilities in terms of military readiness, and a slightly odd post on the problems with the Ajax tank which have been, according to the post, caused by the bad decision of basing the UK project on a joint Austrian/Spanish design whereas it is actually based on the US General Dynamics Ajax product - hence the same name. A little bit of misinformation and misdirection. There are further posts about the Public Accounts Committee reports on UK F35 readiness. These posts have a political element as they criticise government policy and effectiveness. The non-Uk origin of these posts makes the politicisation more acute. These posts have no place on our Corvette club forum.
2) The world context has changed and we need to sympathetic to that. The use or misuse of military might to subdue and influence other countries is now a key part of US foreign policy. Unfortunately, these airplanes that have previous been objects of interest have now become mechanisms of subjugation and international bullying. That changes the perception that people have of them and how we as a club are judged if we continue to post 'admiring' comments about them.

If you would like me to reference inappropriate posts here's one.....

Check out the post from the 1st November: This is clearly related to recent events in South America. I'm not going to reproduce here - it's offensive to many. It depicts the illegal killing of people in. international waters (allegedly drug runners but unproven) on a boat with the quote.... 'US Navy says .....No illegal drugs delivery today !'

Drug runners or not, this is not appropriate material for this forum.

Is this funny? Is this who we are as a club? Should this type of material be posted on our club forum?

Here's another example of a politically edged post....

It's from the "Are we still convinced electric cars are the best way forward..." thread posted on the 7th November.

'In the U.K., the socialist ruling class is pushing ahead with a scheme to tax mileage, which will make driving cars prohibitively expensive for people.
And no, it's not gas-cars. This is electric vehicles, too.
So it's not entirely a green environmental scam. It's a full-blow socialist power grab.'


I am mindful that there's viewpoint and there's politics, and sometimes it's difficult to separate the two. From my perspective this post is more than just viewpoint - this has a political edge to it. There's an element of misinformation in it too.

I have requested that the committee provides some clarity/guidance for the forum users on appropriateness and how posts that venture into politics should be handled.
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
The initial posts were fairly harmless - indeed it's a subject that I am interested in myself. But there are two key points here:

1) It digresses into political waters on a number of occasions. Criticism of UK capabilities in terms of military readiness, and a slightly odd post on the problems with the Ajax tank which have been, according to the post, caused by the bad decision of basing the UK project on a joint Austrian/Spanish design whereas it is actually based on the US General Dynamics Ajax product - hence the same name. A little bit of misinformation and misdirection. There are further posts about the Public Accounts Committee reports on UK F35 readiness. These posts have a political element as they criticise government policy and effectiveness. The non-Uk origin of these posts makes the politicisation more acute. These posts have no place on our Corvette club forum.
2) The world context has changed and we need to sympathetic to that. The use or misuse of military might to subdue and influence other countries is now a key part of US foreign policy. Unfortunately, these airplanes that have previous been objects of interest have now become mechanisms of subjugation and international bullying. That changes the perception that people have of them and how we as a club are judged if we continue to post 'admiring' comments about them.

If you would like me to reference inappropriate posts here's one.....

Check out the post from the 1st November: This is clearly related to recent events in South America. I'm not going to reproduce here - it's offensive to many. It depicts the illegal killing of people in. international waters (allegedly drug runners but unproven) on a boat with the quote.... 'US Navy says .....No illegal drugs delivery today !'

Drug runners or not, this is not appropriate material for this forum.

Is this funny? Is this who we are as a club? Should this type of material be posted on our club forum?

Here's another example of a politically edged post....

It's from the "Are we still convinced electric cars are the best way forward..." thread posted on the 7th November.

'In the U.K., the socialist ruling class is pushing ahead with a scheme to tax mileage, which will make driving cars prohibitively expensive for people.
And no, it's not gas-cars. This is electric vehicles, too.
So it's not entirely a green environmental scam. It's a full-blow socialist power grab.'


I am mindful that there's viewpoint and there's politics, and sometimes it's difficult to separate the two. From my perspective this post is more than just viewpoint - this has a political edge to it. There's an element of misinformation in it too.

I have requested that the committee provides some clarity/guidance for the forum users on appropriateness and how posts that venture into politics should be handled.
Interesting observations Tim - (dialing down into the content of the applicable previous posts - that is).
It is also an interesting fact that the US's own Corvette Forum seems to have zero content that could be considered political, ethical or controversial.
We are currently seeing a series of events occuring in the world right now that we are all understandably uncomfortable with but have no control over.
There will be naturally be differing views from CCCUK members relating to currents world events which will certainly not be suitable content for a car related forum such as this. And yes, perhaps understandably any current military aircraft and ship related content right at this moment may well be 'hard reading' for members given these current world events. And yes, perhaps as you have intimated, removal of the thread in its entirety (certainly at the moment) could be an appropriate action.
I would be interesting to see CCCUK member opinions.
 

Chevrolet

CCCUK Member
Check out the post from the 1st November: This is clearly related to recent events in South America. I'm not going to reproduce here - it's offensive to many. It depicts the illegal killing of people in. international waters (allegedly drug runners but unproven) on a boat with the quote.... 'US Navy says .....No illegal drugs delivery today !'

Drug runners or not, this is not appropriate material for this forum.

Is this funny? Is this who we are as a club? Should this type of material be posted on our club forum?
Thank you Tim for your time, concern and comments above. IMHO, the I November YouTube video above does "glorify" that military action. The moderators can delete the whole thread as far as I am concerned, or maybe just the 1 November post/video Regards/Peter.
 
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Roscobbc

Moderator
I had a discussion earlier with Jon at TeamZR1 and he assured me there has been no political intention to any of his posts. He has previously posted this kind of information to try and 'perk-up' a forum that is generally rather quiet and in need of additional content.
His previous posts have seemingly been appreciated by most of us on this forum.
Given the recent comments Jon has chosen to delete content in his posts that could potentially be considered as relative to current military activities and considered inappropriate by CCCUK members (and non-members).
 

TimP

CCCUK Member
I had a discussion earlier with Jon at TeamZR1 and he assured me there has been no political intention to any of his posts. He has previously posted this kind of information to try and 'perk-up' a forum that is generally rather quiet and in need of additional content.
His previous posts have seemingly been appreciated by most of us on this forum.
Given the recent comments Jon has chosen to delete content in his posts that could potentially be considered as relative to current military activities and considered inappropriate by CCCUK members (and non-members).
Roscobbc, many thanks for mediating on this topic - I think there is a line that needs to be drawn on what is acceptable on a car club forum and what isn't. Hopefully we can home in on that line in the future.

John, I appreciate that you are willing to moderate your posts in future - many thanks. I also appreciate your technical knowledge and experience that you are so willing to share - I have found it very useful in the past and I hope that continues.

I realise that I may be in a minority position on this but that doesn't make me wrong to challenge the content that's posted on this club forum - anybody should feel free to put their hand up and say 'I don't think that's right'.
 
Nassau65 what like me, anyone remember George Bush and Tony Blair who made the UK a much more dangerous place to live.

Now Keir Starmer allowing the US to use the UK as an Aircraft Carrier as they always do, we are not the ones going for Venezuela Columbia and Greenland.

I know this will be pulled but between 1965 and 1973, the U.S. Air Force conducted approximately 113,000 bombing sites or sorties in Cambodia, dropping more than 2.7 million tons of bombs in total.

They were not at war with Cambodia, and they still lost.
 
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Roscobbc

Moderator
Enough is enough - right or wrong, irrespective of personal views, nationality, political leanings we've really seen enough comment for this thread to be 'locked'.
I am not going to that.......yet....... if all users behave and heed my request the thread can remain (unless our committee considers otherwise) - Mr Hamilton you will stop posting inflamatory remarks and assertions if you please. With your current status being non-member ignoring the request may result in future exclusion from these pages.
 
(Mr Hamilton you will stop posting inflamatory remarks and assertions if you please) mine were facts not inflamatory Roscobbo do not tell me stop, if you don't like it ban me, this is why I am no longer a member of this woke club. Free speach is dead in the UK.
God forbid we upset the world bullies, I don’t feel safer now.
 
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Rob59C1

Administrator
(Mr Hamilton you will stop posting inflamatory remarks and assertions if you please) mine were facts not inflamatory Roscobbo do not tell me stop, if you don't like it ban me, this is why I am no longer a member of this woke club. Free speach is dead in the UK.
God forbid we upset the world bullies, I don’t feel safer now.
mhamilton you seem to have missed the point. Our website is not a political platform for anyone to air their views whatever they may be. It is Corvette Club run website for Corvette owners & enthusiasts to discuss Corvettes & associated issues. This Off Topic section allows for topics of interest that may not have a direct connection with Corvettes but may nun the less be of interest to our members. We are neither woke nor non woke, we are a car club interested in cars & Corvettes in particular. Anyone wanting to air their political views can find plenty of other social media platforms where that will be allowed. But not here.
Roscobbo has every right to ask you to stop posting remarks that are deemed to be inflammatory as he is one of our website moderators.
By the way, even if something is fact that doesn't necessarily stop it from being inflammatory. And with regard to your claimed previous membership of the club, I can find no record of you being a member since 2018. So I am sorry, but the committee has decided to take you up on your suggestion & ban you.
 
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