Another UK Government Tax Grab !

Chuffer

CCCUK Member
Just heard that Chancellor Rachel ( from accounts ) Thieves is considering rescinding the free VED tax on 40 year old + classic cars to help bolster the governments flagging finances . The estimated annual income to the Treasury is £107 million which is a drop in the ocean compared to the money wasted on housing and benefits shelled out all the illegal migrants flooding into the country in rubber boats !! All it will do is encourage classic car owners to SORN their vehicles for months on end thus substantially reducing her perceived income plus potentially damaging the UK classic car industry worth several billion £ to the country`s economy . Shoot yourself in the foot or what ? Silly 🐮 !!
 

Nassau65

CCCUK Member
Always wondered how long before the free road tax would last before it was looked at again in relation to stopping or altering.
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
The whole car tax 'thing' is a joke with no logic whatsoever on how it is applied relating to age of vehicles. In terms of 'new' purchase cars we now see a ' blanket' annual tax that has been applied since April on new cars irrespectively priced whether the vehicle is petrol, diesel or electric. They can't make their minds-up on hybrid cars. Older vehicles (between 1 and perhaps 15 years or more is a total confusion and contradiction of applictions and prices. And now we hear that HMG want to change road tax to a mileage based calculation.......so much per mile travelled. So hows that going to be calculated? - will this replace the current milage related tax (taxing pump prices?)
 

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
The progress of Leno’s Law for a while is a disappointing update.
The bill, officially known as SB 712, which would have created a 35-year rolling emissions exemption for older cars in California, has been officially killed in committee.

Backed by Jay Leno and Senator Shannon Grove, the common-sense legislation was seen as a beacon of hope for the state’s classic car community, but that hope has now been extinguished.

The original idea behind the bill was simple and reasonable. It proposed that cars 35 years or older should be exempt from California’s notoriously strict smog testing. Proponents argued that these are well-maintained, rarely driven collector cars, and exempting them would have a minimal impact on air quality.
This would have been a huge relief for owners of Radwood era cars from the ’80s and ’90s, who often face an expensive and frustrating battle to get their aging, pre-OBD2 emissions systems to pass the biannual test a much stricter requirement than in states like Massachusetts or New York, which exempt cars after 15 and 25 years, respectively.

Unfortunately, the bill was slowly watered down in the legislative process. Fearing a loophole that would allow people to drive old, polluting cars daily, lawmakers first added an amendment requiring the cars to have collector insurance.
Then, in a move that gutted the bill’s core purpose, a later amendment completely removed the 35-year rolling rule.
The final version would have only exempted cars made before 1981, leaving owners of more modern classics with no relief.
This weakened version of SB 712 was already a shadow of its original intent.

Despite the changes and early bipartisan support in the Senate Transportation Committee, the bill met its end in the Assembly Appropriations Committee.
The committee refused to bring it to the full Senate for a vote, effectively shutting it down for good.

The failure of SB 712 is a major blow to California’s car collectors, who will now continue to face one of the toughest regulatory environments in the country for keeping their classics on the road.
 

Nassau65

CCCUK Member
It seems that what is thought of as The car culture state is now a very unfriendly place to be a petrol head. ( has been for many many years I know)
Seems strange as California since the 50’s has been the car state. Top down cruising fun in the sun.
I don’t think many people would want to drive a 35 year old vehicle every day, so they would only be weekend cruisers.
I must admit I wouldn’t mind driving a 1990 caprice, corvette, Camaro, Firebird etc every day. What’s not to like? Possibly the fuel consumption 😂
 

Vetteheadracer

CCCUK Member
Our 2006 Bentley Flying Spur spends most of its life on SORN as it now costs about £760 a year to tax it! My mother's 2017 Honda Jazz which is horrible piece of crap cost £190 a year. My 2017 Ram 1500 cost £325 a year but that keeps creeping up by at least £20 every year and the cheapest car to tax at the moment is the 2019 C7 ZR1 at about £280 a year last year. I've been saying for decades they should scrap VED (road tax) and but 10p a litre on fuel as VED. That way everyone who drives a less economic car for more miles pays more tax. There would also be no way of avoiding the tax if you put petrol / diesel in your car. The Government won't of course do this as it is far too sensible and they can waste millions of pounds a year on plod chasing untaxed cars instead. (Gives plod something to do rather than eating donuts or sitting in speed scamera vans I guess).
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
Unfortunately the big 'hole' in the suggestion to putting an additional 10p on a litre of fuel (45p really if we're relating to gallons) is that it is just 'allowing' HMG to rip us off even more for petrol/derv which is already close to being the highest in Europe.
Wonder how long it will take for HMG to put a surcharge on what you pay the energy companies for using a dedicated home charger for your electric car?
 

Chuffer

CCCUK Member
Unfortunately the big 'hole' in the suggestion to putting an additional 10p on a litre of fuel (45p really if we're relating to gallons) is that it is just 'allowing' HMG to rip us off even more for petrol/derv which is already close to being the highest in Europe.
Wonder how long it will take for HMG to put a surcharge on what you pay the energy companies for using a dedicated home charger for your electric car?
The other big downside of putting the equivalent of VED on fuel consumption instead is , that will force up prices on every commodity purchased by every person in the UK whether they own a car or not because haulage companies and delivery drivers with pass the cost increase on to the consumer . The UK could save £ Billions a year by cutting overseas aid ( charity begins at home ) and totally repelling the small boats and so called asylum seekers . And don`t even start me off on HS2 !!!!
 

Vetteheadracer

CCCUK Member
Unfortunately the big 'hole' in the suggestion to putting an additional 10p on a litre of fuel (45p really if we're relating to gallons) is that it is just 'allowing' HMG to rip us off even more for petrol/derv which is already close to being the highest in Europe.
Wonder how long it will take for HMG to put a surcharge on what you pay the energy companies for using a dedicated home charger for your electric car?
The problem with all Governments is that they treat our money like a drug and they are all addicts with a serious habit.
 

Vetteheadracer

CCCUK Member
The other big downside of putting the equivalent of VED on fuel consumption instead is , that will force up prices on every commodity purchased by every person in the UK whether they own a car or not because haulage companies and delivery drivers with pass the cost increase on to the consumer . The UK could save £ Billions a year by cutting overseas aid ( charity begins at home ) and totally repelling the small boats and so called asylum seekers . And don`t even start me off on HS2 !!!!
You won't get an argument about overseas aid etc.
I am currently researching and writing a book about the Fabian Society which explains why we are where we are and not just here in this country.
 
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