Chuffer
CCCUK Member
My Corvette is a hybrid .... it burns gas and rubber !
Are we still convinced that electric vehicles are the best way forward?
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Roscobbc
Moderator
A translation for those of us who don't speak French
Don’t we have a significant surplus of energy capacity during the nighttime hours? During this time, most domestic and business activities are halted, with appliances, machines and lighting usually turned off. This leads to a reduction in energy consumption, which can leave unused capacity in the network.
Acheter Cenforce
La gestion et le recyclage des batteries des véhicules électriques sont des défis importants. il faut trouver des solutions durables pour le recyclage de ces batteries afin de limiter ou de minimiser leur empreinte carbone sur l'environnement.
teamzr1
Supporting vendor
Executives at Ford Motor Company, General Motors (GM), and Stellantis are begging President-elect Donald Trump to keep in place President Joe Biden’s Electric Vehicle (EV) mandates. The plea comes as automakers have invested billions in EVs that have failed to turn a profit.
In March of this year, Biden issued a federal regulation to begin phasing out gas-powered cars, requiring American automakers to produce EVs and ensure that by 2032, the majority of new cars sold in the U.S. market are electric.
Since then, Ford, GM, and Stellantis have staked their futures on EVs. The results have been bleak as the initiative remains unprofitable, with American consumers turned off to the high cost and increased issues that arise with EVs.
The auto executives are now quietly lobbying Trump to keep Biden’s EV mandates, despite a recent study showing almost 125,000 auto manufacturing jobs are at risk of being eliminated due to the federal rule.
Three of the nation’s largest automakers, Ford, General Motors and Stellantis, are strategizing with other car manufacturers on how to make a delicate request of President-elect Donald J. Trump: Don’t scrap the federal regulations that compel the industry to sell electric vehicles. [Emphasis added]
In fact, most automakers don’t love the more stringent rules Mr. Biden put in place. But they have already invested billions in a transition to electric vehicles, and fear that if Mr. Trump made an abrupt change as he has promised, they could be undercut by automakers who sell cheaper, gas-powered cars. They argue it would harm an industry that is a backbone of American manufacturing and employs 1.1 million people. [Emphasis added]
Lobbyists and officials from several car companies say the automakers want the Biden regulations to remain largely intact, with some changes, such as more time for compliance and lower penalties for companies that don’t meet the requirements. [Emphasis added]
Trump and Vice President-Elect JD Vance have long committed to throwing out Biden’s EV mandate, noting that hundreds of thousands of American auto jobs are at risk because of the mandate.
The auto executives are asking Trump to keep the EV mandate in place, even as going all-electric has been a bust for their companies. Business Insider reports that the likes of Ford, GM, and Stellantis are all planning layoffs because of their EV push, which has not been profitable.
GM, for example, has invested $35 billion into EVs. CEO Mary Barra said in October that even though EVs are still not profitable, she plans to make the automaker all-electric by 2035.
Similarly, Ford’s EV sales have been so poor that the automaker is now giving away EV charging stations and free installation whenever an EV is purchased.
As I have posted last week, Barra of GM out of the blue sold off and profited by $86 million bucks selling off some of her GM stock,
Wonder why ? ?
In March of this year, Biden issued a federal regulation to begin phasing out gas-powered cars, requiring American automakers to produce EVs and ensure that by 2032, the majority of new cars sold in the U.S. market are electric.
Since then, Ford, GM, and Stellantis have staked their futures on EVs. The results have been bleak as the initiative remains unprofitable, with American consumers turned off to the high cost and increased issues that arise with EVs.
The auto executives are now quietly lobbying Trump to keep Biden’s EV mandates, despite a recent study showing almost 125,000 auto manufacturing jobs are at risk of being eliminated due to the federal rule.
Three of the nation’s largest automakers, Ford, General Motors and Stellantis, are strategizing with other car manufacturers on how to make a delicate request of President-elect Donald J. Trump: Don’t scrap the federal regulations that compel the industry to sell electric vehicles. [Emphasis added]
In fact, most automakers don’t love the more stringent rules Mr. Biden put in place. But they have already invested billions in a transition to electric vehicles, and fear that if Mr. Trump made an abrupt change as he has promised, they could be undercut by automakers who sell cheaper, gas-powered cars. They argue it would harm an industry that is a backbone of American manufacturing and employs 1.1 million people. [Emphasis added]
Lobbyists and officials from several car companies say the automakers want the Biden regulations to remain largely intact, with some changes, such as more time for compliance and lower penalties for companies that don’t meet the requirements. [Emphasis added]
Trump and Vice President-Elect JD Vance have long committed to throwing out Biden’s EV mandate, noting that hundreds of thousands of American auto jobs are at risk because of the mandate.
The auto executives are asking Trump to keep the EV mandate in place, even as going all-electric has been a bust for their companies. Business Insider reports that the likes of Ford, GM, and Stellantis are all planning layoffs because of their EV push, which has not been profitable.
GM, for example, has invested $35 billion into EVs. CEO Mary Barra said in October that even though EVs are still not profitable, she plans to make the automaker all-electric by 2035.
Similarly, Ford’s EV sales have been so poor that the automaker is now giving away EV charging stations and free installation whenever an EV is purchased.
As I have posted last week, Barra of GM out of the blue sold off and profited by $86 million bucks selling off some of her GM stock,
Wonder why ? ?
Roscobbc
Moderator
Guessing privately the big three aren't really that concerned about the 125,000 jobs that are at risk - and more worried about future of their businesses. This is understandable......however I'm sure secretly they would all love to have factories where they had zero numbers of staff, eliminating wage, personnel and union issues......and over the years it has been going in that direction.
Here in UK - and very much in the south east east corner, including London Ford were the dominant brand of car manufacturer ( and latterly supplier) - Ford was major employer at Dagenham in East London. In this area and the southern part of Essex FoMoCo was the dominant employer. Everyone either had at least one family member working for them or knew someone working for them. And the most popular car in this area was also a Ford..........30 years ago. No cars built here for years, just engines. That will stop soon. Last year they laid off over a thousand workers at their Dunton, Essex design centre. This week that have announced a further lay offs over the next three years at Dunton again and other plants. All the cars come from European plants. The popular and best selling cars in their sectors (Focus and latterly Fiesta) that people wanted Ford dropped (not profitable) - the mid size Mondeo was also dropped several years ago. All they offer now is the small cross-over Puma and larger Kuga suv. The main dealers all seem to have swithed over to selling Kia or Hyundai. Where will it end?
Here in UK - and very much in the south east east corner, including London Ford were the dominant brand of car manufacturer ( and latterly supplier) - Ford was major employer at Dagenham in East London. In this area and the southern part of Essex FoMoCo was the dominant employer. Everyone either had at least one family member working for them or knew someone working for them. And the most popular car in this area was also a Ford..........30 years ago. No cars built here for years, just engines. That will stop soon. Last year they laid off over a thousand workers at their Dunton, Essex design centre. This week that have announced a further lay offs over the next three years at Dunton again and other plants. All the cars come from European plants. The popular and best selling cars in their sectors (Focus and latterly Fiesta) that people wanted Ford dropped (not profitable) - the mid size Mondeo was also dropped several years ago. All they offer now is the small cross-over Puma and larger Kuga suv. The main dealers all seem to have swithed over to selling Kia or Hyundai. Where will it end?
teamzr1
Supporting vendor
Well, the gangbangers love EVs
Someone got a chance to drive the Cadillac Escalade IQ before deliveries began to dealerships.
However, they don’t get to keep it. Metro Detroit News reports that an EV heist occurred at a GM storage lot in Detroit, including some Escalade IQ models.
“Multiple electric vehicles were stolen from a storage lot in Detroit on Wednesday,” says the caption on the Instagram post.
“The incident happened at the lot located on Lynch, near Van Dyke & I-94, at around 3:00 a.m. Multiple Cadillac Escalade IQs were reported stolen. One got stuck on escape and trapped other vehicles they attempted to steal.”
We’re grateful that someone caught on camera the comical escape attempt by an Escalade IQ spinning its front wheels while stuck on a barrier wall. Surprisingly, the electric SUV doesn’t look badly damaged as it hopelessly spins its wheels in its failed escape attempt.
The Instagram post continues, “No suspects were taken into custody. The investigation is ongoing.”
It also shows three Cadillac Escalade IQ models parked next to each other, one of which has a smashed front end.
The background shows a fleet of parked EVs, including Cadillac Escalade IQ, GMC Sierra EV, and GMC Hummer EV models.
Someone got a chance to drive the Cadillac Escalade IQ before deliveries began to dealerships.
However, they don’t get to keep it. Metro Detroit News reports that an EV heist occurred at a GM storage lot in Detroit, including some Escalade IQ models.
“Multiple electric vehicles were stolen from a storage lot in Detroit on Wednesday,” says the caption on the Instagram post.
“The incident happened at the lot located on Lynch, near Van Dyke & I-94, at around 3:00 a.m. Multiple Cadillac Escalade IQs were reported stolen. One got stuck on escape and trapped other vehicles they attempted to steal.”
We’re grateful that someone caught on camera the comical escape attempt by an Escalade IQ spinning its front wheels while stuck on a barrier wall. Surprisingly, the electric SUV doesn’t look badly damaged as it hopelessly spins its wheels in its failed escape attempt.
The Instagram post continues, “No suspects were taken into custody. The investigation is ongoing.”
It also shows three Cadillac Escalade IQ models parked next to each other, one of which has a smashed front end.
The background shows a fleet of parked EVs, including Cadillac Escalade IQ, GMC Sierra EV, and GMC Hummer EV models.
Young Bill
CCCUK regional rep
Oh my, just came across this thread..... you old carbon burning fella's have no love for the EV eh. Some amount of mince on the thread with most of the stuff debunked at three years old. Here's my tuppence worth. The infrastructure is still fine. Petrol, diesel, lpg is also flammable and needs copious amounts of water (but mainly foam) to extinguish, can also reignite. And when there are power outage you need to remember that petrol pumps run on electricity too
Roscobbc
Moderator
Scenario for post 2035 (when manufacture of ICE powered cars becomes illegal in UK, Europe and other supposedly 'developed' countries)
1. Continued manufacture of ICE powered vehicles by 'renegade' non-compliant and third world countries with existing car plants 'feeding' continual demand for ICE powered vehicles.
2. Annual consumption of Petrol and Derv starts to reduce. Oil supplying countries, fuel refineries, distributors, wholesalers and retailers will be forced to increase wholesale and pump prices in order to cover for the reduced volumes of fuel sold at the pumps.
3. Year-on-year as conventional older ICE powered vehicles are forced to be scrapped (due to unavailabilty of parts and difficulties in continuing to meet emission standards) volumes of ICE fuel consumed will reduce in successive years further increasing costs at the pumps (for the reasons in 2. above).
4. Our own HMG will look to further increase fuel tax as nett tax and Vat revenues significantly reduce (due to the reasons in 1. and 2. above)
5. Synthetic fuels whilst having limited availabilty currently never actually materialise as cost effective alternatives to petrol and derv as HMG refuse to consider reduction of taxation levels (to make synthetic on par with conventional fossil fuels). Even further fuel increases due to ever increasing downturn in petrol and Derv usage as per 2. and 3. above)
6. Classic car ownership becomes an increasingly expensive 'luxury' due to costs of fuel but oddly a logical alternative (to those who will be able to afford to use them) to any remaining ICE powered cars manufactured between the 1980's and 2035. This will be due to unavailability of electronic componentry and non-servicability of suitable diagnostic equipment.
7. At various points during the decade following 2035 the UK's unmaintained road network will multiple suffer massive gridlock scenarios where thousands of stranded electric vehicles will be 'marooned' possibly for days at a time while waiting for recovery services.
1. Continued manufacture of ICE powered vehicles by 'renegade' non-compliant and third world countries with existing car plants 'feeding' continual demand for ICE powered vehicles.
2. Annual consumption of Petrol and Derv starts to reduce. Oil supplying countries, fuel refineries, distributors, wholesalers and retailers will be forced to increase wholesale and pump prices in order to cover for the reduced volumes of fuel sold at the pumps.
3. Year-on-year as conventional older ICE powered vehicles are forced to be scrapped (due to unavailabilty of parts and difficulties in continuing to meet emission standards) volumes of ICE fuel consumed will reduce in successive years further increasing costs at the pumps (for the reasons in 2. above).
4. Our own HMG will look to further increase fuel tax as nett tax and Vat revenues significantly reduce (due to the reasons in 1. and 2. above)
5. Synthetic fuels whilst having limited availabilty currently never actually materialise as cost effective alternatives to petrol and derv as HMG refuse to consider reduction of taxation levels (to make synthetic on par with conventional fossil fuels). Even further fuel increases due to ever increasing downturn in petrol and Derv usage as per 2. and 3. above)
6. Classic car ownership becomes an increasingly expensive 'luxury' due to costs of fuel but oddly a logical alternative (to those who will be able to afford to use them) to any remaining ICE powered cars manufactured between the 1980's and 2035. This will be due to unavailability of electronic componentry and non-servicability of suitable diagnostic equipment.
7. At various points during the decade following 2035 the UK's unmaintained road network will multiple suffer massive gridlock scenarios where thousands of stranded electric vehicles will be 'marooned' possibly for days at a time while waiting for recovery services.
Young Bill
CCCUK regional rep
Use electric bolt gun. Gunpowder produces too much emissions .Might as go and shoot myself now !!!!!!
Young Bill
CCCUK regional rep
Can you give me the lottery numbers as well? Asking for a friend that doesn't have a time machine like yourself.
Chuffer
CCCUK Member
Sod the emissions , I want to go out with as big a bang as possible and lots of smoke too !!!
CaptainK
Administrator
Being a responsible parent, I'm trying to get my child, and my young nieces and nephews into electric cars. Sadly they all seem to just want to take advantage of the speed and power of the electric cars and just drive like maniacs. I wouldn't mind so much, but its always the parents that are having to move the sofa out of the way to retrieve the crashed cars.
Chuffer
CCCUK Member
Get them friction drive cars like I had as a `nipper` then you will be totally eco friendly and no need to generate electricity !
teamzr1
Supporting vendor
Who would buy one of these knowing the costly batteries could be degraded ?
Hertz's stupid decision to buy 100,000 Teslas has backfired badly, but it does mean cheap EVs are up for grabs.
The car rental giant began to sell off its stock of Teslas a year ago due to a lack of demand from customers who prefer gas models.
Bosses also said they wanted to offload the cars due to very high repair costs.
With slow demand, Hertz is being forced to sell the electric vehicles at steep discounts.
In the past week, a Hertz customer shared a deal on a 2023 Tesla Model 3 for just $17,913, less than half its retail price of $38,990.
In January, the company said that the proceeds from the sales would go to funding more gas powered cars.
It is a departure from its previous target that 25 percent of its overall fleet would be electric by the end of 2024.
In 2022, it said it would buy up to 65,000 EVs over five years from Polestar. That was just months after it ordered 100,000 cars from Tesla.
The selling of the EV fleet aligns with a large trend in the US auto market, in which demand for electric cars have fallen greatly
Hertz's stupid decision to buy 100,000 Teslas has backfired badly, but it does mean cheap EVs are up for grabs.
The car rental giant began to sell off its stock of Teslas a year ago due to a lack of demand from customers who prefer gas models.
Bosses also said they wanted to offload the cars due to very high repair costs.
With slow demand, Hertz is being forced to sell the electric vehicles at steep discounts.
In the past week, a Hertz customer shared a deal on a 2023 Tesla Model 3 for just $17,913, less than half its retail price of $38,990.
In January, the company said that the proceeds from the sales would go to funding more gas powered cars.
It is a departure from its previous target that 25 percent of its overall fleet would be electric by the end of 2024.
In 2022, it said it would buy up to 65,000 EVs over five years from Polestar. That was just months after it ordered 100,000 cars from Tesla.
The selling of the EV fleet aligns with a large trend in the US auto market, in which demand for electric cars have fallen greatly
Roscobbc
Moderator
Wonder what the Donald thinks about Geely/Volvo being 'bed-fellows' - are they actually manufacturing/assembling the the USA yet?