Tesla & Corvette EV

[GCorvette]

Without wishing to be stoned to death for blasphemy, what do we all think about the GM Corvette EV program and potentially Corvette Racing jumping on board?

Being an old petrolhead, I'd had zero interest in this subject up until recently, but I was given a ride in a hush hush prototype Tesla while in Texas that opened my eyes somewhat.

If a solution can be found that works globally, fabulous but seeing the resistance in America, this is an issue that is a long way from being sorted.

I try to do what I can for the environment, I recycle 90% of home waste rather than send it to a landfill etc, but obviously being a petrolhead with two Corvette flies in the face of the green movement etc. and I have no intention of getting rid of them.

I also hope and pray that the 'powers that be' never force me to!

 

[Roscobbc]

Tesla being a very new player in the market relatively speaking haven't really stood the test of time as yet re. longevity of the vehicle and its components. OK for 1st and second owners, 3rd, 4th owners onwards and its a guessing game relating to the companies historic reluctance to assist 3rd party potential users and non-company specialists. Its a bit like being forced to only source your groceries from M & S and ignoring all other retailers.

 

[teamzr1]

Without wishing to be stoned to death for blasphemy, what do we all think about the GM Corvette EV program and potentially Corvette Racing jumping on board?

Being an old petrolhead, I'd had zero interest in this subject up until recently, but I was given a ride in a hush hush prototype Tesla while in Texas that opened my eyes somewhat.

If a solution can be found that works globally, fabulous but seeing the resistance in America, this is an issue that is a long way from being sorted.

I try to do what I can for the environment, I recycle 90% of home waste rather than send it to a landfill etc, but obviously being a petrolhead with two Corvette flies in the face of the green movement etc. and I have no intention of getting rid of them.

I also hope and pray that the 'powers that be' never force me to!

There was a national report here a few weeks ago as to electric vehicles and
Tesla came on worst as to more crashes (driverless) as other nameplates and also setting on fire.

Automakers reported nearly 400 crashes of vehicles with partially automated driver-assist systems, including 273 involving Teslas alone, according to statistics released Wednesday by U.S. safety regulators.

Automakers reported crashes from July of last year through May 15 under an order from the agency, which is examining such crashes broadly for the first time.

“As we gather more data, NHTSA will be able to better identify any emerging risks or trends and learn more about how these technologies are performing in the real world,” said Steven Cliff, the agency’s administrator.

Tesla's crashes happened while vehicles were using Autopilot, “Full Self-Driving," Traffic Aware Cruise Control, or other driver-assist systems that have some control over speed and steering. The company has about 830,000 vehicles with the systems on the road.

The next closest of a dozen automakers that reported crashes was Honda, with 90. Honda says it has about six million vehicles on U.S. roads with such systems. Subaru was next with 10, and all other automakers reported five or fewer.

In a June 2021 order, NHTSA told more than 100 automakers and automated vehicle tech companies to report serious crashes within one day of learning about them and to disclose less-serious crashes by the 15th day of the following month. The agency is assessing how the systems perform and whether new regulations may be needed.

Six people were killed in the crashes involving driver-assist systems, and five were seriously hurt, NHTSA said.
Of the deaths, five occurred in Teslas and one was reported by Ford.
Three of the serious injuries were in Teslas, while Honda and Ford each reported one

Also, Tesla raised the sticker up to $,6000 for this year's models

UK Rag reports

 

[teamzr1]

On another note as to gas costs,
Do not know what the UK does as to new vehicles but here the feds want to screw the taxpayers more
so they grade vehicles as to what their MPG is and if over a set amount fines per vehicle a Gas Guzzler Tax

If looking at the C8 the MPG got dragged down a bit for 2023 MY as feds going by history of the C8
most have been Z51s which have lower MPG then base C8
Feds tested results for 2022 Stingray

Model Year	Mfr Name	Division	Carline	Eng Displ	# Cyl	City FE (Guide) - Conventional Fuel	Hwy FE	Comb
2022​	GM	Chevy	CORVETTE	6.2​	8​	16​	24​	19

Gas Guzzler Tax

2019 - 755 HP ZR1 is 13/19 MPG. The ZR1 had a $2,100 GGT ( as a compare for C8 Z06)
2022 Stingray’s reduced economy due to most buying the Z51 version being 16/24 MPG or 19 MPG
C8 Z06 returns 15 MPG in the city and 22 MPG on the highway

This GGT is kinda hidden as GM now includes that cost into the sticker and not an additional cost to the buyer

Feds GGT table and fined amount in dollars



If you made it down this far

What EPA tested out, the tailpipes of 2022 C8

City CO2 Hwy CO2 Comb CO2
365 ......... 257 .......... 316

 

[CaptainK]

Its a bit like being forced to only source your groceries from M & S and ignoring all other retailers.

That wouldn't be that bad for me - my sister is the manager at an M&S store, so I'd get lots of stuff on discount. Now if only I could get lots of Corvette stuff on as good discount....

 

[teamzr1]

A white Tesla Model S already in a junkyard spontaneously burst into flames in a Rancho Cordova, California wrecking yard after the car had spent weeks sitting there after a collision.

The Sacramento Metropolitan Fire District said that firefighters arrived at the wrecking yard to find the Tesla fully engulfed in flames.
Each time the firefighters attempted to extinguish the flames, the Tesla's battery would reignite the fire.

The fire department posted an Instagram video of the ordeal, saying that even when firefighters moved the Tesla onto it's side to spray the battery directly, the car would burst into flames again 'due to the residual heat.'

Eventually, the firefighters had to dig a pit near the Tesla and moved the burning car into it and then filled the pit with water, 'effectively submerging the battery compartment.'

The technique worked, and the fire department was able to put out the fire with no injuries and 4,500 gallons of drinking water used - about the same amount of water used for a building fire.

Fires generated from electric vehicles can be especially hazardous, as they generate over 100 organic chemicals,
including some potentially fatal toxic gasses like carbon monoxide and hydrogen cyanide.

Capt. Parker Wilbourn, a spokesperson for the fire department, told the Washington Post that the Tesla fire burned hotter than 3,000 degrees.

Tesla batteries may be at a higher risk of combusting due to the lithium-ion technology they use, which is a relatively new introduction to the auto industry. Lithium-ion batteries charge faster, but can rise to extraordinary temperatures if damaged.

An increase in electric vehicle use over recent years has brought to light some risks associated with them.

In December 2020, a San Ramon, California house was burned to the ground after the homeowner's two Teslas caught fire in the middle of the night. An investigation by the San Ramon Valley Firefighters narrowed down the cause of the fire to either the car's electrical system or the battery.

In April, a Tesla in Nashua, New Hampshire that had hit a tree and caught fire was transferred to a tow company lot after the initial fire was extinguished, but the vehicle caught fire again due to the battery combusting.

Nashua Fire Rescue workers were forced to remove the battery from the burning car and seal it inside a Hazmat container to prevent it combusting further.

'These electric vehicle fires pose some unique challenges, and fire crews were on scene for an extended time to complete extinguishment,' Nashua Fire said in a social media post.



Imagine having multi kids sleeping at home and woke up to a ragging fire below them in a garage

 

[Roscobbc]

A white Tesla Model S already in a junkyard spontaneously burst into flames in a Rancho Cordova, California wrecking yard after the car had spent weeks sitting there after a collision.

The Sacramento Metropolitan Fire District said that firefighters arrived at the wrecking yard to find the Tesla fully engulfed in flames.
Each time the firefighters attempted to extinguish the flames, the Tesla's battery would reignite the fire.

The fire department posted an Instagram video of the ordeal, saying that even when firefighters moved the Tesla onto it's side to spray the battery directly, the car would burst into flames again 'due to the residual heat.'

Eventually, the firefighters had to dig a pit near the Tesla and moved the burning car into it and then filled the pit with water, 'effectively submerging the battery compartment.'

The technique worked, and the fire department was able to put out the fire with no injuries and 4,500 gallons of drinking water used - about the same amount of water used for a building fire.

Fires generated from electric vehicles can be especially hazardous, as they generate over 100 organic chemicals,
including some potentially fatal toxic gasses like carbon monoxide and hydrogen cyanide.

Capt. Parker Wilbourn, a spokesperson for the fire department, told the Washington Post that the Tesla fire burned hotter than 3,000 degrees.

Tesla batteries may be at a higher risk of combusting due to the lithium-ion technology they use, which is a relatively new introduction to the auto industry. Lithium-ion batteries charge faster, but can rise to extraordinary temperatures if damaged.

An increase in electric vehicle use over recent years has brought to light some risks associated with them.

In December 2020, a San Ramon, California house was burned to the ground after the homeowner's two Teslas caught fire in the middle of the night. An investigation by the San Ramon Valley Firefighters narrowed down the cause of the fire to either the car's electrical system or the battery.

In April, a Tesla in Nashua, New Hampshire that had hit a tree and caught fire was transferred to a tow company lot after the initial fire was extinguished, but the vehicle caught fire again due to the battery combusting.

Nashua Fire Rescue workers were forced to remove the battery from the burning car and seal it inside a Hazmat container to prevent it combusting further.

'These electric vehicle fires pose some unique challenges, and fire crews were on scene for an extended time to complete extinguishment,' Nashua Fire said in a social media post.

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Imagine having multi kids sleeping at home and woke up to a ragging fire below them in a garage

And..... unlike an 'ordinary' fire where if the firemen get there quick enough your house has a good chance of being saved........no so with a leccy car......you house and everything in it will be ....... toast!

 

[James Vette]

Right so if an electric car has been hit badly then it can't be trusted to be safe.

 

[Roscobbc]

Did RC model aircraft for years - had leccy power ousting ic for a good few years now. Now generally if you crash your plane obviously theres a significant risk of major airframe damgage - engine may have damage from the impact. Leccy power using Lithium Ion batteries have risks of major short-outs in a crash perhaps leading to unextinguishable fires........rarely happens fortunately.

 

[CaptainK]

I still have my RC plane in the garage here with me that I built as a kid. Still has the SC .40 motor in it, and ready to fly. Except it has no radio gear in it, and no fuel for the motor which hasn't turned in 20+ years. I never did actually fly it though. Back then as a kid I enjoyed making lots of models, and made a RC motor torpedo boat too (still have that too next to the plane). As the 2 channel gear needed for that was much cheaper, I could afford that. So I swapped it between boat and plane - the plane was just taxied around on the ground using the 2 channel for throttle and rudder/rear wheel steering. I think I might still have that 2 channel in the boat, which used an electric motor for propulsion.

 

[Roscobbc]

I still have my RC plane in the garage here with me that I built as a kid. Still has the SC .40 motor in it, and ready to fly. Except it has no radio gear in it, and no fuel for the motor which hasn't turned in 20+ years. I never did actually fly it though. Back then as a kid I enjoyed making lots of models, and made a RC motor torpedo boat too (still have that too next to the plane). As the 2 channel gear needed for that was much cheaper, I could afford that. So I swapped it between boat and plane - the plane was just taxied around on the ground using the 2 channel for throttle and rudder/rear wheel steering. I think I might still have that 2 channel in the boat, which used an electric motor for propulsion.

Different world now regarding RC, especially radio gear.......can't say I like leccy planes, less mess perhaps - running time 'anxiety' is a problem!

 

[CaptainK]

Yeah, having an actual engine in the plane makes it seem more authentic as the original plane would have had an engine in it too (as opposed to an electric motor).