Are we still convinced that electric vehicles are the best way forward?

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
And another wacko state hating gas based vehicles who cannot even allow A/Cs to bet set what the paying customers need :(

During the dog days of summer, it's important to keep your home cool. But when thousands of Xcel customers in Colorado tried adjusting their thermostats Tuesday, they learned they had no control over the temperatures in their own homes.

Temperatures climbed into the 90s Tuesday, which is why Tony Talarico tried to crank up the air conditioning in his with sick partner's Arvada home.
"I mean, it was 90 out, and it was right during the peak period," Talarico said. "It was hot."

That's when he saw a message on the thermostat stating the temperature was locked due to an "energy emergency."
"Normally, when we see a message like that, we're able to override it," Talarico said. "In this case, we weren't.
So, our thermostat was locked in at 78 or 79, with high humidity"

On social media, dozens of Xcel customers complained of similar experiences — some reporting home temperatures as high as 88 degrees.
Xcel confirmed to Contact Denver7 that 22,000 customers who had signed up for the Colorado AC Rewards program were locked out of their smart thermostats for hours on Tuesday.

"It's a voluntary program. Let's remember that this is something that customers choose to be a part of based on the incentives," said Emmett Romine, vice president of customer solutions and innovation at Xcel.

This is the first time in the program's six-year span that customers could not override their smart thermostats, Romine said. He said the "energy emergency" was due to an unexpected overuse outage in Pueblo combined with hot weather and heavy air conditioner usage.

But Talarico said he had no idea that he could be locked out of the thermostat.
While he has solar panels and a smart thermostat to save energy, he says he did not sign up to have this much control taken away.

"To me, an emergency means there is, you know, life, limb, or, you know, some other danger out there — some, you know, massive wildfires," Talarico said. "Even if it's a once-in-a-blue-moon situation, it just doesn't sit right with us to not be able to control our own thermostat in our house."
 

Mad4slalom

CCCUK Member
Today, Newsom's plea to limit charging of electric vehicles during a fearsome heatwave has been met with mockery on Twitter, days after the state passed a ban on gas-powered vehicles to take effect by 2032.

The state's top energy regulator has warned Californians to avoid charging their EVs between peak hours of 4pm to 9pm through Tuesday, and to crank their thermostats up to 78F in a bid to avoid blackouts.

In response to soaring power demands, California Governor Gavin Newsom also declared a state of emergency that temporarily removes pollution controls on fossil fuel power plants to allow them to generate more electricity.

The unusual combination of circumstances, as triple-digit temps strain California's aging power grid, was seen by some as proof the state had not thought through its green agenda.
 

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
Now that is funny :)

The electric vehicle of an unfortunate Washington, DC, tourist ran out of battery in the middle of a remote West Virginia road on Friday. Thankfully, a few unlikely good Samaritans were nearby to rescue the stranded traveler.
The wild sequence of events was recounted by Tucker County State Sen. Randy Smith (R) on Facebook, which occurred near a coal mine on Mettiki Coal access road U.S. 48, a few miles outside of Davis, West Virginia, according to WTRF.

“Today at our mine off Corridor H an electric car from DC ran out of battery at the road entrance to the mine,” Smith wrote.
The state senator noted that the vehicle was stranded in the middle of the haul road, meaning that workers had to act fast to not impede incoming traffic.

As a few coal miners came to assist, it was soon realized that the vehicle could not be moved by a tow truck since the bottom of the car was all plastic with nothing to hook onto.

With few options left, the coal miners worked with the driver to push the vehicle up the road to the mine, where the traveler could recharge his car.

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teamzr1

Supporting vendor
With California’s energy grid unable to meet demand, four emergency gas-powered generators have been called on to ease the strain on the state’s power grid.

California is facing a heat wave with triple-digit temperatures breaking records, according to CBS, which noted Livermore in the Golden State’s Alameda County set a new record Monday at 116 degrees.

“We have now entered the most intense phase of this heat wave,” said Elliot Mainzer, president and chief executive of the California Independent System Operator, according to The Sacramento Bee.

“The potential for rotating outages has increased significantly.”

He added that the grid faced “energy deficits of 2,000 to 4,000 megawatts, which is as much as 10 percent of normal electricity demand.”

How’s the electric grid doing in California? It’s high noon, and renewables are only producing 32.4% of the state’s electricity needs.
State officials want to close the gas-powered plants that are currently providing 45.1% of the electricity that keeps the lights on.

To avert that, the California Independent System Operator on Monday called on the Department of Water Resources to activate four emergency generators, according to KMPH-TV. The generators were installed in 2021, two each in the Sacramento-area cities of Roseville and Yuba City.

The generators can provide up to 120 megawatts of power through natural gas.
That’s enough to only power about 120,000 homes, according to a Department of Water Resources.

The situation facing California was described by The Sacramento Bee this way: “California’s increasing reliance on solar power and other renewable sources has made the grid susceptible to blackouts in the early evening, when solar panels go dark but the weather stays hot.”

So how's that greenie crap going ?
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
Our new Prime Minister Truss's first parliamentary question time today - she noted that to help the people relating to the collosal energy 'hikes' we have seen this year (and more to follow) the government will 'cap' energy prices......and look at ways of extracting more gas from the North Sea oil fields......plus investing in new Nuclear power stations. Our current government, previous governments from probably the last 20 years at least have been deliberating about replacing end of life power stations, commissioning new ones (and even cancelling new builds) - I'm guessing the general public haven't a clue actually how long it takes to build and commission a nuclear power station........7 years minimum 10/12 years more feasible. How's that going to help our current energy crisis. Politicians are without doubt the biggest group of *ankers ever!
 

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
I do not think EVs would make this any better :)

Switzerland is considering jailing anyone who heats their rooms above 19C for up to three years if the country is forced to ration gas
The country could also give fines to those who violate the proposed new regulations.
Speaking to Blick, Markus Sporndli, who is a spokesman for the Federal Department of Finance, explained that the rate for fines on a daily basis could start at 30 Swiss Francs

He added that the maximum fine could be up to 3,000 Swiss Francs (£2,667).
And companies who deliberately go over their gas quotas will face punishment.
Additionally, according to the potential measures, temperatures in gas-heated buildings can be no more than 19C (66.2F), with water heated up to 60C (140F).
Blick also reported that radiant heaters would not be allowed and saunas and swimming pools would have to stay cold.
The measures are stated in the Federal Law on National Economic Supply, referred to by the Federal Department of Economic Affairs (EAER) in an official document.

Also, news says Countries in Europe that have TV game shows,
The winners do not get money but instead, gas coupons for their vehicles :(
 

phild

CCCUK Member
Our new Prime Minister Truss's first parliamentary question time today - she noted that to help the people relating to the collosal energy 'hikes' we have seen this year (and more to follow) the government will 'cap' energy prices......and look at ways of extracting more gas from the North Sea oil fields......plus investing in new Nuclear power stations. Our current government, previous governments from probably the last 20 years at least have been deliberating about replacing end of life power stations, commissioning new ones (and even cancelling new builds) - I'm guessing the general public haven't a clue actually how long it takes to build and commission a nuclear power station........7 years minimum 10/12 years more feasible. How's that going to help our current energy crisis. Politicians are without doubt the biggest group of *ankers ever!

Apparently fracking is back on the agenda.
 

Yellowshark

Well-known user
an issue so no probleDoes she know of your plans? I'm amused at the thought of the look on her face when her car goes missing and in its spot is a random newer car :ROFLMAO:
Lol guys I know where you coming from but the other way around. We have a skip at the moment and are having a clear out, The other day I saw my Corvette drinks tray in the skip!!!!! I am glad to say the BMW has been discussed, her high mileage required the BMW seats which she really loved but mileage is no longer a problem. Hell she even said she would be happy to drive my incoming MINI Cooper S Works
 

craigyboy

CCCUK Member
Interesting subject. With 2030 in mind I had a look last year, at the new Fiat 500e and the MINIe, both vastly inflated prices over the petrol versions. Why would anyone want/indeed afford to spend such a large premium apart from the top 10%, I have no idea if TODAY it is cheaper to fuel a car with electricity rather than petrol. I have no idea when us mortals will be able to buy an E car that has a mileage range that means you can actually drive somewhere without worrying all the time. With my C5 I can.

I see little in the press about how much a new battery would cost. I doubt there is anything in my C5 that would cost anything near an E battery cost. Lots of E chargers in my local town centre car park, i.e. 4. What happens when we are all driving electric – no need to worry about poor mileage range if you cannot get any electricity into your battery.

Do I contribute to the planet? Yes, before I retired I paid higher tax rate for many years and top whack of NI, I never claimed a benefit and so the Government coffers have done well from my contribution. Am I going to continue to contribute? Yes I just bought a 2nd hand MINI Cooper S Works as my daily driver which has a better mpg than the C5. My strategy is based on the assumption that before they stop selling petrol I will have departed the planet
2030 you will still get petrol and diesel cars made.. They will be hybrid cars
 

Chuffer

CCCUK regional rep
According to the RAC the cost of charging the average family EV has risen 42% in recent times . Just watch that cost go up and up as demand increases and then see how far a tank full of sparks gets you compared to a tank of gas in your ICE vehicle.
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
Given the recent energy hikes and the still questionable serviceabilty of road-side charging points (if they even exist) I'm surprised to see the significant numbers of recent registered electric vehicles locally.......having said that - given the worldwide shortage of electronic components (used in both ICE and Electric cars) leading to significant vehicle price rises and extended lead times for supply (up to a year in some cases). The ongoing and not insignificant rises in costs of on-street electric charging makes me wonder how many of the recent adopters of electric propulsion are wondering whether they should have 'jumped on the bandwagon' so early. Logic tells me personally that 'moving over' to electric power for your daily driver shouldn't logically be for quite a few years yet to enable us to understand the choices we need to make (both new and used vehicles) and how HMG are going to be taxing us for the use of electric cars.
 

Nassau65

CCCUK Member
A couple of friends run Tesla’s as their daily drivers, wizzing all over the place. They seem quite happy with them. Both have home chargers, so no problems there. I assume they charge on route if they need to.
 
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